and as i understand it, sheriffs are elected to people they're responsible to. and most chiefs are appointed by political people, people who are bureaucrats. how did you react to the governor's comment? >> well, governor, it doesn't surprise me that governor hi hick hickenlooper would say that. a couple of years ago, he said that people in the rural and coast are slow thinkers. so that did not surprise me at all. this is not a rural versus urban issue because it's about our liberties, it's about our freedom, it's about our right to self-defense and those issues transcend whether you live in the sit or whether you live in the county. >> mike: you know, the push is that these laws are somehow going to make everybody safer and we're going to be better off, but every-- again, you used the term of the street cops, i've never heard one who said we hope to take away the capacity for a magazine or a legal gun owner because that will make it safe because they know that the crooks aren't going to turn their magazines in and say i know now i'm only supposed to have five ro